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Rights are innate, they come with our birth, they aren't given to us by a government. but, oftentimes, it has taken a government to give us those rights in effect, whether it was mississippi in '62 or alabama in '63 or onward. federal troops or u.s. marshals. someone has had to come and say you will give these people their god-given rights. >> yeah, look, the speech had a powerful eloquence. but it also had a narrative thread. and what he did was embed his whole argument in the declaration of independence. and whether you're talking about climate change or rights for gay people, which he, uniq...

Bookend. and i think rick's right about this. it was a bookend to the reagan speech in 1980. it made progressive vision for america mainstream. it claimed the mainstream of america for progressive values. i think it's a very significant speech. >> well, rick, respond to that. i think it develops the point. listen to what the president said about the middle class. take a look here, rick. >> we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well when a growing many barely make it. we believe that america's prosperity must rest upon the broad shoulders of a r...

Who turned sworn enemies into the surest of friends. and we must carry these lessons into this time as well. i think he's talking about iran. the one war that you face within the next few moments. >> you may very well be. you have to keep in mind taking those sworn enemies was after we defeated them in war. >> why did he say it tonight? >> i think it's a pivotal point. i think he is going to go back to what he said in the first inaugural and during the first campaign about how it's time for us to put down the sword and figure out how we can help everyone pick up the polish here. and i think th...

>> yeah, you should. >> have been a little slow on making. >> yeah, bobby, i think there's a real argument here that this is sort of an anti-iran speech, an anti-paul ryan speech. and rick said, no, it's not every person for themselves. that isn't going to sell. they don't like it in american life today. i think that's what he was selling, i agree with rick. it was strongly philosophical about community values. >> well, i think that's right. i think rick is completely right. you know, in 1960, and, chris, you know this, when nixon ran away from the word conservative, he was a modern republican...

Illness or a home swept away in a terrible storm. the commitments we make to each other through medicare and medicaid and social security, these things do not sap our initiative, they strengthen us. they do not make us a nation of takers, they free us to take the risks that make this country great. >> rick, that was the first time i've ever heard anybody make that fasz nating defense of these safety net programs. wherein parents will risk anything. they'll spend all of their money as they make it on tuition bills for their kids, with the assumption of if worse comes to worse, i can make it on ...