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Misleading. it was a really wrong speech. it's not because you can't make a truthful attack on obama or even that ryan hasn't done it previously. it's just somehow in the architecture they built in the campaign the truthful attack doesn't work. and that's not a good sign in how they'll govern. it's not separate from their message to the people. >> that is a very eloquent and i think incredibly substantive and important point to make, ezra, and i think to some degree we're all implicated in this. >> i am, too. it's a good speech, but not true. >> we can focus on the fact paul ryan did a great j...

Authority. one person close to romney says he recognizes his nomination marks a historic moment for his church and he wants the convention to reflect the faith that has shaped him throughout his life." joining us now from tampa, msnbc contributor and "washington post" columnist e.j. dionne and also from tampa, official ambassador to "time" magazine, michael scherer. e.j., i'd like to start with you on this. in terms of the religion question, we talked ad nauseam about the humanization of mitt romney and a principle thing that might humanize him is his role in the mormon church. how much can he...

Greeted sarah palin after she made her debut. i want to call to the attention of our audience some of the headlines there. the "washington post" saying palin comes out fighting, a pit bull in lipstick according to the "new york daily news." chicago "sun-times" says hockey mom shoots, scores. is there any comparison here to be made, john? >> well, in a modest way, i think, alex. i was on the floor for sarah palin, too, and it was an extraordinary performance. she was a totally unknown commodity and there was a high wire quality to it. you had no idea whether she was going to give a great speech...

Her words. 2016 will take care of itself. last night she set a tone and a direction for this party, if we ever want to be relevant beyond this election. >> chairman steele, thank you for your time as always. john heilman, thank you for the incisive fact checking that is sure to make waves both in the twitter verse and online. thank you both for your time, gentlemen. >> you got it. coming up, waiting in the west wing. while republicans gather in tampa, president obama continues his campaign including this jab at governor romney's foreign policy chops during a speech in virginia yesterday. >> ...

How do they get them known outside of the three debates and the one vice presidential debate. county packs do that with their overwhelming money? can they get them known? >> well, i think that people do watch the big speech in the conventions. they may not watch obama. they surely know who he is. they have been there, they done that people are curious. they are going to choose for the presidency. they will watch. they will watch the romney speech. they will watch the ryan speech. they might even watch the keynote address by chris christie. i mean, think of how obama's career was launched. he g...