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Acknowledge there are some long-term issues that have to be dealt with. there are also short-term issues in terms of the economy. as you pointed out, joe, many times, we cut dischretienary spending quite a bit. i don't disagree, anybody who spends time in washington understands there are savings to be made. it's hard to get them because of bureaucracy safe guards. we have cut deeply into dischretienary spending in ways that haven't been good for the economy. my question for senator coburn, if not this, what? if you oppose this deal, do you believe there is a better dell to be had at this time ...

Folks. everybody will want to try one the field get against. are you concerned about where time. the program is today? >> explain one thing to see. >> a little bit but, you know, when you go out on the shooted you and i are both security night you see other anchors and minded guys. we understand this government reporters? >> i had fun on the plaza, for has got to have, military has got to have the tools necessary example, if i'm up there with at their disposal to ensure we're surveilling, identifying cheryl or maria. threats before they happen. >> were those outfits yours? that's why we haven'...

Testified before our representatives, are telling untruths and it's just kind of, oh, well, we misspoke. >> if they don't come back now and say, hey, reappear, right now. now ask you again -- remember, they're under subpoena. they're asked to testify. they've've got to give truthful testimony. that this rules of the game. even more so, shep, when you brought up at the beginning of the piece about the contractors, that is -- >> one million contractors. who have access -- >> think bit about it. they lack the culture, the context, and don't want a career, in the service. they don't have the abili...

How it is with cedric and how that will see what difference is. >> so two questions here. one is a privacy concern. two questions. one are safe guards that are secret really safe guards. right? you can tell me you've trained people to obey the law but all of the safeguard, not only the safe guards but the actual legal reasoning here is secret as well. my question is, why should i trust that when, and let me just give one example, we know that bush administration was engaged in a warrantless wiretapping program through the nsa for years. that was not covered, not briefed to congress, not explic...

We know there was a possibly unconstitutionally certainly illegal warrantless wife tapping program. for possibly four years. that nobody blew the whistle on until he came forward. why should i trust that same agency's safe guards? >> nsa will follow the branch of government and if there is a problem with anything that is decided within the executive branch then obviously it becomes a matter for the courts. and it is under the bush administration is concerned, there is so many aspects to that, you know, clearly, there were, you know, in spite of what you have heard, i can tell you there were me...