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And people record this and help them back in by showing a good record over a period of time. i would hire somebody if i saw them go through a program like that. yes, he committed a robbery back whenever, but in the four eye he's been out, he's done this program, paid back the victims. but the problem is you can't just walk out of prison, go to a job and said i just got out, i just burgled a bunch of houses but i'm a safe guy. people have the right to hire people they feel safe and comfortable with. that's our right. and we have the right to know who we're dealing with. i think we should put th...

But society will not give them a break if they are aware of that. and the whole purpose is to get them educated and back into the work force where they can pay taxes and become normal functioning individuals. >> larry: well said. pat, if they can't get a job, they're going to be criminals again, aren't they? >> as i said, i believe an incremental approach of bringing them into society, where they come out, they do time working in -- you know, work for society, getting educated. and people record this and help them back in by showing a good record over a period of time. i would hire somebody if...