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When people feel a sense of shame, that impels them -- that should impel them to step down and then make amends. i hate the word shame. it's my catholic background. it makes me think of sin and hell and all of that. and there's a moment of not just sin and shame but also reconciliation and forgiveness. and so, the question is, do you do the forgiveness inside of office or outside of office? those are questions we're going to be grappling with through 2020. >> jennifer granholm, congresswoman tenney, thank you so much for joining me. it was a great conversation. >> thank you. >> and thank you f...

Standards, i fight, i think that's good, as long as she can also remain as upbeat as she was tonight. i thought the word practical as i watched her. she was so upbeat from beginning toned except when she got somber in personal moments like when she asked the question from the woman who'd been widowed by the opioid crisis. i think people love a warrior if it's that phrase we use so often, happy warrior. i think she came across as a happy warrior tonight. >> and mark preston, let me get back to you. >> dana, if i could jump in. >> of course. >> two things. let me talk about that. because people ...

Mohammed saleh who's an engineer from keen. go ahead. >> your first name. >> muhammad. >> good to see you. >> thank you, senator. there is a conservative argument for personal responsibility that is often taken too far and ignores the randomness of life and misfortune. do you agree with the progressive view that a justice and equitable society must be built with empathy for the unfortunate? senator, can you share a personal realization from your own journey in life where things fell apart and you realized the value of collective empathy? >> what a great question. thank you. well, for me, my da...

Buffett -- that saves up to $100 billion now. where he actually pays a rate that is lower than his secretary's. and then one thing i would add to the mix because there's so many things we could do. but one thing alone, comprehensive immigration reform, the bill we had back in 2013 supported by none other than grover norquist. why? because it brought the debt down $158 billion. okay? that is how much it would save. so there are many things we could do that would get us on the right path with regard to our debt. but we shouldn't be doing it on the backs of the people that can least afford it in ...

Minnesota, the first female senator from the state, answering questions from the audience for well over an hour. i want to dig in right away on the case she made tonight and go straight to new hampshire. mark preston is there. mark, what a fascinating town hall for a number of reasons. first and foremost because unlike a lot of her democratic competitors in the presidential field she really sort of hewed more toward maybe not the middle but certainly didn't bank left, even when she clearly knew that that would potentially benefit her with democratic voters. what were your impressions? >> no qu...