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Because that stuff is substantial and it's worth talking about. >> well, i'm not sure that some of that is worth talking about. i mean gossipy stuff, salacious stuff, i'm not sure that has a bearing on who the next president should be. hillary clinton or donald trump. even if you believe that, i think it's important for voters to have that judgment informed by the fact that this is a foreign intelligence operation being run against the united states of america. so, all of those e-mails, whether you agree with them or not. whether they affect your vote or not, all of them should come with a cau...

Heretofore pale by comparison. but speaking of the salacious stuff, i want to read a september exchange. criticizing leonardo dicaprio's decision to back out of the bio pick. quote, was this about the deal or did he just change his mind? that's from gordon. the latter replied, then gordon replied with horrible behavior which was echoed, actually, despicable. do you think hollywood stars are really surprised by exchanges like this? or are they more surprised they've gone public? and i also want to ask, do the stars need the studios more or do the studios need the stars more? >> well, it's a mut...

Ryan gostling, leonardo dicaprio and will smith's kids. eric gardner at the "hollywood reporter" joining me in studio with a welcome to you. you hear that warning, what more information could they have? >> well, right now, i think, most of what has gathered everyone's attention is kind of the gossipy bits. you know, what actors are making, what studio heads are saying privately behind doors about producers and actors in hollywood. >> salacious stuff. >> salacious stuff. >> but this certainly can go in a lot of directions. there could be political ramifications, international relations, certain...

That's impressive. >> listen. i think people are going to know he's weiner. i think if people don't vote for him i think it's because maybe he was a little stupid in that he got caught. frankly, i think to make it like he's the only politician to have some sort of sex scandal, which by the way didn't involve actual sex, right? >> it didn't. then you also talk about picking up the newspaper. both of you saying we love the salacious stuff. at the end of the day it's one thing. who knows what people are up to behind closed doors. america loves a good redemption story. look at bill clinton and mar...

Guthrie, nbc news chief legal correspondent. nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> all this sordid b movie type stuff. let's face it, it's fascinating. how much is likability, how much is legality. how much of the stuff we've heard so far is pertinent for jurors? >> it's one of the times when salacious stuff is part of the case. these are facts of the case, whether or not these contributions bunny melon made were political contributions or money to help john edwards in any way she saw fit. bunny melon, the donor said she didn't know what the money went for. she just wanted to help a friend. ...