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A president. it's not what he used to think when he wasn't working for trump. sam clove is, one of the people on the inside of the trump administration. now you hear trump and his allies saying this was so spying. it was so spying. listen to sam cloves. >> the meeting was very high level. it was like two faculty members talking about research. there was no indication or no inclination that this was anything other than just wanting to offer up his help to the campaign if i needed it. it was not anything other than him talking about the research that he had done on china. and that was essentiall...

Be the ambassador of singapore. >> she wouldn't be the only nominee to face problems because of alleged russia ties, right? >> yes. sam cloves who was nominated by president trump to take a senior level position at the department of agriculture had to withdraw from that position after it was revealed that he had contacts with george papadopoulos. we now know he tried to set up a meeting between trump and putin and was in contact with sam clovis. after it was revealed -- it was revealed during this agreement in which papadopoulos -- he

Clarify her testimony. what does that mean? they're going to send her back to the white house and the white house is going to have to make a decision about whether or not to be renominated. her chances of being confirmed are exceedingly grim until she does so. so she's probably not going to be the ambassador of singapore. >> she's not the only one to have problems because of alleged russia ties, right? >> yes. sam cloves who was noticminated president trump to take a senior level position at the department of agriculture had to withdraw. he tried to set up a meeting between trump and putin and...

Named to trump's advisory team, i remember thinking there was very little known about this guy. >> i spoke to barry bennett who was on the carson campaign before he was with trump. and i asked him how he brought him on. he said papadopoulos e-mailed him, had his cv out, he was somebody who had worked with the hudson institute. bennett called his contact there, got a good reference and ended up hiring him though for the campaign. doesn't know how he ended up at the trump campaign. >> in that group. >> what we do know that sam cloves was in charge of policy at the time. he was in charge of the l...

>> was he putting bumper stickers on or doing russia policy? >> we never got clarity on what he or the others produced, but they were there operating. >> how does he get to the campaign? who gets him into the campaign? >> this is another mystery that no one wants to take ownership for. there are a couple of other officials who factor into the decision making about who was on the list. one is sam cloves. another isbe barry bennett. >> carol, you've spent a lot of time reporting on paul manafort. what can you tell us? >> well, it's pretty amazing to think that the chairman of a campaign somehow ...