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Perjured themselves in testimony before congressional committees looking at the russia investigation, i'm thinking about people like eric prince, donald trump jr., jared kushner, should they be more on alert if there were any problems in their potential testimony because of the way this came up in mr. patton's case today? >> they should be very nervous. of course mr. patton has concluded a cooperation deal with prosecutors. we don't know what he could have been charged with in this regard had that deal not been concluded. if i was one of these other folks,es i wouldn't sleep too wl tonight. >>...

Court, they said sam came forward with a proffer, with his formal offer on may 22nd of this year. what caused sam patten to come forward to prosecutors? on may 22? we don't know exactly but it may be helpful to note just before that, about a week and a half before that, abc news published this great and super important investigative piece about the trump inauguration before the the possibility of foreign money coming into the trump inauguration. you see the headline. exclusive special counsel probing donations with foreign connections to trump inauguration. abc news broke really important stor...

Fact they couldn confirm that patton did talk to the senate about their -- senate committee about their investigation. and they said they did send a criminal referral on this guy to the justice department after he testified. my question is that: it doesn't seem like people get prosecuted very often for lying to congress. ifyi prosecutors want to bring thatse kind of a charge, do the need to get a criminal referral from thein senate, from whateve committee, from the congress in order to do it? or is that something that prosecutors could pursue on their own whether or not congress wanted them to...

Broke the law. why would they spell those things out in such detail in the charging documents but then not actually charge him with those thingsth at crimes. >> sure. so this ist a standard practic for prosecutors. when you work out a plea deal before the defendant is actually charged, which is what happened here. and so there would have been these three, at least three types of potential charges on the table and prosecutors would have offered mr. patton in exchange for his cooperation this deal. and part of the deal was we'll only charge you with one of these crimes that you committed. we'll ...

Learned in the court filings that sam patten's former business partner is who m nener charged co-defendant with paul manafort in the upcoming sort of manafort 2 trial in d.c. later this month. so it didn't surprise me that the fbi and mueller's investigative team casts a wide net. they are trying to see what kind of inroads they can make to witnesses not just cooperating witnesses who are americans or american citizens, but perhaps even more broadly than that, potential witnesses who are russians who are ukranians and this didn't surprise me at all. >> and part of this, bruce ohr one of the la...