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And compromise the care of veterans. that's why we're building a whole campaign including on sho sherrod brown.com to say sign this petition and fight against privatization. if jackson withdraws or we don't confirm him, i'm equally concerned about the next one, may not more qualified. may not have a toxic work environment. i'm concerned they're going to do what every veteran i know doesn't want and that is to privatize. >> senator, i appreciate your time tonight. >> for more on what the ronny jackson fiasco reveals how this president governs, i'm joined by jennifer rubin and sam seder, host of...

Clinton's e-mails, rudy giuliani said this. >> the russians have those e-mails. they've had them for some time. >> what? giuliani is now a new member of donald trump's criminal legal defense team. i'm joined by msnbc's howard fineman, and sam seder, host of the majority report. howard is a closer friend of mine and the show than you are, but i'm going to begin with you. >> okay. i was going to say i yield my time. >> because you have spoken forcefully and thoughtfully about this relationship between fox news, conservative commentary, what we saw rudy make this case, and other insiddous parts o...

Amount. however much james comey attacked rudy giuliani in james comey's book, there's a certain bit of prestige and honor among colleagues in the u.s. attorney's office and by bringing rudy in, donald trump, i think, to one extent, is signaling that the michael cohen thing is really important. because that's happening in the southern district. and they're saying, look, we've got a guy here who's been the u.s. toeattorney there. that's one explanation. another explanation is that -- a less charitable one, is that donald trump is in this bizarre-o world of -- he's got a fox cabinet. he's got --...

>> it's nice to be a lawyer -- >> sam seder, howard fineman, thank you both. i want to go and turn to our next guest, who has a new clue in this central mystery about donald trump. is he as rich as he claims? today, there's a former "forbes" investigative journalist revealing new audiotapes from the 1980s. they say they feature trump calling him and lying about his wealth, part of an effort to land a spot on the coveted "forbes" 400 richest list. but the kicker, trump doing it with a fake identity. you may have heard about this. he pretends to be a trump representative named john barron. >> ok...

The fbi, from the new york field office or wherever, that this announcement from you was coming? >> not that i know of, but i saw that same publicity and so i commissioned an investigation to see if we could understand whether people were disclosing information out of the new york office or any other place that resulted in rudy's report on fox news. >> it was not the first time in the campaign that giuliani seemed to have a heads-up about events. one day after trump asked for russia's help in finding hillary clinton's e-mails, rudy giuliani said this. >> the russians have those e-mails. they'v...