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I may or may not agree with the president's policy, but the notion that people this high up in the chain, basically the people around the president decided we are the star chamber here, we get to decide what the value is. and there is something wrong with the president and his core values do not align with the conservative movement in this is absurd in a way. >> and yet no one took the memo off the president's desk of kids being ripped from their parents. jennifer rubin and sam seder, gla g glad to have you both. >> when the week began, it was the wide sense consensus that the hearing was goin...

And sam seeder. >> your thoughts. >> i agree with richard clarke in terms of this op-ed. it is incredibly self-serving. if we find out who wrote this, there is going to be a half a dozen people who say they had a hand in this. distancing themselves from trump and distancing themselves from the conservative movements from trump. the only thing that is remotely interesting about this piece is it indicates that people think this is the time to do it. >> timing is as fascinating as anything about it. why not? >> only because there is a sense that the ship is taking on water and they want to make s...

Which was going to be an enormous mistake and cost hns of billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of dollars. justifying it on a lie. i felt an obligation as a civil servant to get the truth out. >> that is an interesting thing for people to keep things in mind. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> for more on the continued fallout. i am joined by jennifer rubin. and sam seeder. >> your thoughts. >> i agree with richard clarke in terms of this op-ed. it is incredibly self-serving. if we find out who wrote this, there is going to be a half a dozen people who say they had a

Conservative movement in this is absurd in a way. >> and yet no one took the memo off the president's desk of kids being ripped from their parents. jennifer rubin and sam seder, glad to have you both. >> when the week began, it was the wide sense consensus that the hearing was going to be ho hum. >> i knowingly violated the rules put forth and i am told the rules have knowing consequences. i understand that kind of civil

Congress, which is how laws are passe passed. >> they didn't veto them. >> they were imposed and said they were unconstitutional. >> they did not veto them. they're in place. >> sam? >> well, i would also add that from a national security standpoint, you know, we have allies. and i think it would be irrational at this point for the leaders involved in nato to be sharing intelligence with the u.s. government, or with parts of it, when our own director of national intelligence is out there basically with his hair on fire saying what just went down was completely out of bounds, and, i mean -- >> ...