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Tangible. i think, you know, i think it makes it harder for the president to push back, to say that it's all a hoax. it makes it harder for him to fire mueller or rosenstein, although i still think they're at risk. but it does change the conversations for that purpose, for those purposes. >> i'll ask you about the white house's response to this. evan talks about how loosely the case is laid out in that indictment. we don't have a lucid explanation from this president about why these sanctions haven't been implemented. you heard ted lieu there. >> right, the pressure is really on for the white ...

It's, meh. are investors simply ignoring the president. >> ever since the tweets started getting more steam, the initial effect had a big effect on the markets and stocks, but with each subsequent tweet, the market seemed to discount them a little more. not that they weren't important, but the market reaction shouldn't be quite as dramatic. i will say this, though. because of all the of the north korea tenses where you've been seeing more action on wall street has in defense-related stocks. the people who make planes, bombs, missiles, that sort of thing, a lot of them are hitting record highs ...

Writer, an essayist. >> yes, one of the best things that ever happened to me is when he hired me to work at "the national." we meet to many people in our lives that you think meh, but he was better than advertised. kind, giving, funny, and a wonderful, wonderful man. >> and rich, what was his influence throughout, beyond sports, throughout the culture? >> i think if frank deford wrote something, a four-page article, you read it, if it was a 44-page article, you read it. he was that good. a giant, a tall man to begin with, but a giant in the industry and humanized sports. he was a gentle so, to...

We've been keeping a very close eye on the markets because this is another very busy news day. we're just minutes away from the closing bell on wall street. right now, the dow, not much. down 11 points. i want to bring in nbc's ali velshi, tracks the markets for us today. >> you described that well. it's meh. right. what's happened here, investors are coming around to the idea that while they liked a lot of the policies that donald trump promised, infrastructure, tax reform, things like that, they're now not entirely convinced he can get it done. so this week, when he meets with sisi, we're ta...

This isn't the way to get to the freedom caucus by threatening them. i can tell you, freedom caucus source told the "the daily beast" today, quote, meh, meh was the comment when asked if this mattered to them. not only are they in safe districts. their constituents largely support what they did. you hear them over and over again on cnn, this bill had 17% approval. >> wolf, he also has a bigger problem with moderate republicans. they haven't been as vocal but the one -- they are the ones who really are in danger of losing their seats if health care went through in the form it was proposed. 24 m...