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As president obama's stimulus. don't you remember when republicans said obama was spending us into the gutter, and now republicans are doing the same thing. are they? >> well, there's a lot of spending in this bill. they argue it's for important thinkings likthings like the mih gets the bulk of it. everyone is against government spending in the abtract but not against government spending taken away from things they want. someone in power finds the idea of deficit reduction less appealing. >> julie: we've got john yarmouth. he talks about the rising cost of government debt and that is something...

Deficit spending will be as big as president obama's stimulus. don't you remember when republicans said obama was spending us into the gutter, and now republicans are doing the same thing. are they? >> well, there's a lot of spending in this bill. they argue it's for important thinkings likthings like the mih gets the bulk of it. everyone is against government spending in the abtract but not against government spending taken away from things they want. someone in power finds the idea of deficit reduction less appealing. >> julie: we've got john yarmouth. he talks about the rising cost of gover...

Impact of that was. >> you missed one, you missed the cut and grow rebrand that they did -- >> was that you cut -- oh, no, there was you cut and cut and grow, two different ones. >> he was a constant schemer and it served him well. he was the heir apparent to john boehner, perhaps knocking boehner out of the way. but when you change that much, obviously, it becomes tough to define who exactly you are. and i think what it ended up also doing was painting him as this constant schemer and not a serious ideological conservative and i think that obviously hurt him on tuesday night. when he did put ...

>> he was a constant schemer and it served him well. he was the heir apparent to john boehner, perhaps knocking boehner out of the way. but when you change that much, obviously, it becomes tough to define who exactly you are. and i think what it ended up also doing was painting him as this constant schemer and not a serious ideological conservative and i think that obviously hurt him on tuesday night. when he did put his efforts behind a piece of legislation, he showed it could work. a great story of his is that he actually devoted his time to pediatric cancer and research at mih. it was a bil...

Boehner out of the way. but when you change that much, obviously, it becomes tough to define who exactly you are. and i think what it ended up also doing was painting him as this constant schemer and not a serious ideological conservative and i think that obviously hurt him on tuesday night. when he did put his efforts behind a piece of legislation, he showed it could work. a great story of his is that he actually devoted his time to pediatric cancer and research at mih. it was a bill that was going to go nowhere this last year. he put a lot of his efforts, his political efforts and political ...