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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20100213:03:47:00

not tell rack and pinion stertion from house and senate hearings. their work in the national highway transportation safety administration because they used to work for it. they hired tinto directly from the national highway transportation safety administration in 1994 and nine years later hired santucci directly from the national highway transportation safety administration. so when the nhtsa had questions about the brakes on camrys and soleras in 2002 and 2003 toyota knew how to answer. they would have known how to call how to bargain with them how the new employer could finesse the questions from the old employers. it's the inversion of the hiring the foxes to regulate the chicken coop. and four nhtsa investigations went bye-bye as a result. would those investigations have ended in other ways if there were laws keeping toyota or any firm in any field from hiring people who have worked for the agencies that regulate them? no way to tell. but there's no way not to tell

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - CNN - 20100211:12:11:00

>> reporter: ben bailey's law firm is suing toyota over the alleged wrongful death of a michigan woman whose 2005 toyota camry crashed after suddenly accelerating out of control. >> reporter: back in 2004 they were already talking about the throttle control system. >> right. >> reporter: so this isn't a new problem that toyota is investigating suddenly. >> right. >> reporter: they knew about it. >> yes. >> reporter: why didn't nhtsa look into it? rather than review the causes of sudden acceleration they decided to exclude two crucial areas. >> they say longer duration incidents involving uncontrollable acceleration where the brakes didn't work are are not within the scope of this investigation. >> reporter: that decision was made after discussions with santucci and another toyota official who also worked for nhtsa. santucci was deposed in december. >> we discussed the scope, nhtsa's concerns about the scope

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - CNN - 20100211:12:12:00

and ultimately led to a decision by the agency to reduce that scope. >> reporter: was toyota effectively calling the shots? were they telling the federal government what they should and should not be looking for? >> i wish i knew the answer. >> reporter: is that what you believe? >> i don't know. that's why we filed this lawsuit. >> reporter: a toyota spokesman in santucci's office says any insinuation that he violated federal ethics laws or that he did not live up to the highest professional standards is totally without merit. and nhtsa says, quote, our record reflects that safety is our singular priority. the agency says the scope of the investigation was appropriate because, quote, longer duration incidents involve the possibility that the wrong pedal was used which could mask a vehicle-based defect. >> that was ridiculous for the agency to agree to that. >> reporter: joan claybrook's consumer group successfully sued toyota in 2007 forcing it to disclose which vehicles were involved in crashes.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - CNN - 20100211:11:29:00

in santucci's office says any insinuation that he violated ethics laws or that he did not live up to the highest professional standards is without merit and nhtsa says, quote, our record reflects that safety is our singular priority. the scope of the investigation was appropriate because, quote, longer duration incidents involve the possibility that the wrong pedal was used which could mask a vehicle-based defect. >> that was ridiculous for the agency to agree to that. >> reporter: joan claybrook's consumer group successfully sued toyota in 2007 forcing it to disclose which vehicles were involved in crashes. >> they should require more information to be submitted, not less. they should require all the complaints so the agency itself can do an evaluation of what is a problem and what is not. >> reporter: as for the alleged conflict of interest federal law says employees working for a

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - CNN - 20100211:12:10:00

negotiating a job with an entity that you were supposed to be regulating? >> not that i'm aware of. >> it raises questions of conflict of interest. >> reporter: joan claybrook was a long-time president of consumer advocacy group public citizen and before that ran nhtsa for years. >> there should not be a revolving door of people going from the government immediately to a company regulated by the agency. >> reporter: a year later when nhtsa decided to investigate complaints of sudden acceleration in some toyota models, its officials sat across from santucci, their former colleague, to discuss parameters. 20 days later nhtsa issued a memo excluding certain reported incidents. are you suggesting that, in fact, toyota and a former nhtsa employee worked with the federal agency to basically narrow the scope of the investigation? >> that's how it appears to us.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - CNN - 20100211:11:28:00

they knew about this. >> yes. >> reporter: rather than review the causes of sudden acceleration they decollided to exclude two crucial area as. >> they say longer duration incidents involving uncontrollable acceleration where the brakes didn't work are are not within the scope of this investigation. >> reporter: that decision was made after discussions with santucci and another toyota official who also worked for nhtsa. he was deposed in december. >> we discussed the scope, nhtsa's concerns about the scope and ultimately led to a decision by the agency to reduce that scope. >> reporter: was toyota effectively calling the shots? were they telling the federal government what they should and should not be looking for? >> i wish i knew the answer. >> reporter: is that what you believe? >> i don't know. that's why we filed this lawsuit. >> reporter: a toyota spokesman

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - CNN - 20100211:12:09:00

problems perhaps all along and that in some case it is feds may have looked the other way. debra has the exclusive. what have you found out? >> so many people are wondering why toyota didn't catch this much sooner. the big question today is was there a relationship that was simply too cozy between toyota and the federal regulators who were supposed to be investigating and keeping track of safety? >> reporter: in 2003 christopher santucci did when most people got a new job. >> i gave two or three-week notice. >> reporter: the new job was with toyota in washington, d.c. as a liaison to assist in investigations, from the very agency he was leaving the national highway traffic safety administration called nhtsa for short. >> were there procedures in place that would govern your

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - CNN - 20100211:11:26:00

cozy a relationship between toyota and the federal agency supposed to enforce safety standards? >> reporter: in 2003 christopher santucci did when most people got a new job. >> i gave two or three-week notice. >> reporter: the new job was with toyota in washington, d.c. as a liaison to assist in investigations, from the very agency he was leaving the national highway traffic safety administration called nhtsa for short. >> were there procedures in place that would govern your negotiating a job with an entity that you were supposed to be regulating? >> not that i'm aware of. >> it raises questions of conflict of interest. >> reporter: joan claybrook was a long-term member of public citizen and before that ran

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