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The president hasn't learned from the last shutdown? >> i don't think we're headed for another shutdown. there are two alternatives. either they all come to a compromise where everybody gets something in order to be able to both advocate to their constituencies and save face or he's going to go to emergency action to build the wall that way and we'll wind up in court. i think the white house is clear on the idea, and congress by the way, is clear on the idea that another shutdown is no good. nobody wins. and the democrats skated pretty cleanly out of the last one. i don't think they'll skate c...

She can make a deal. she can come together, she can buck her base and find a compromise. it's clear donald trump is willing to do that. the question is whether nancy pelosi can. >> i was going to say, it's not that unusual for politicians to say they are winning when they're not winning. it's not that unusual for people not to get everything that they want and then to go out and try to spin it in the best light as possible. i don't even really fault him for that. i think that really if the democrats want to negotiate now, i think the wall is off the table. he will have to deal with that. they ...

Say they are winning when they're not winning. it's not that unusual for people not to get everything that they want and then to go out and try to spin it in the best light as possible. i don't even really fault him for that. i think that really if the democrats want to negotiate now, i think the wall is off the table. he will have to deal with that. they should -- when you negotiate, you should try to find a way to help the other person save face. even if you don't like him, if you want to have a deal, the goal is not to humiliate donald trump because donald trump -- or anybody, frankly, is n...

Khrunichev, and reached such a paint of scariness-- scarines scariness", that it worked and save face. that's what teddy roosevelt did, he was winning the coal strike, six months of people without hospitaand there not be a commission without a labor person on it. they wanted a business guy and a judge and the strike was going on and on and teddy roosevelt, okay you don't want a labor person labeled as a labor person and what if we call him a socialologist and put a labor person in there and they said, yeah, that's fine. and it was ridiculous we could have gone on a strike for months and instea...

Can put their heads together with pelosi and come up with some formula that will allow the president an escape path here. >> you know, joey, cnn is now reporting -- i'll read to you specifically what we're reporting. the white house is preparing a draft proclamation for president donald trump to declare a national emergency along the southern border and has identified more than $7 billion in potential funds for his signature border wall. should he go that route, according to internal documents reviewed by cnn? if he were to do so, either an executive order or declaring a national emergency, th...