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Threats to democracy. the final chapter of their book is titled, saving democracy. it feels more relevant now than ever. joining us now is daniel zip, lot harvard perez's or, political scientist. and one of the aforementioned of the authors of the book. thank you so much for being here. greatly appreciate your time. your book ends with several steps to avert the collapse of democracy. i have to know, as i did, it was written in 2018. given what we have seen in the intervening years, since that book came out, is it too late to take the steps that you outlined? >> thank you for having me. it's n...

With the investigation. this means that if the committee doesn't hear from him, they will have to issue a subpoena to compel his testimony. today, a blistering op-ed was published -- they write, in part, quote, subpoena naming the minority leader would be unprecedented, but his behavior amounts to a dereliction of his oath to support and defend his constitution against all -- in his quest to become the next gop house speaker, mr. mccarthy has instead thrown in his lot with the enemies of democracy. so the january six committee, nonetheless, continues despite the noncooperation of key witnesses...

Conditions of people's lives, if the rules of the game are rigged and unfair and increasingly we see since the january 6, an effort by republicans to rig the rules at the state level, it doesn't matter. it makes it much more difficult to win. so i think there's serious efforts under way to combat that. i don't think we should throw in the towel. as difficult as this week has been, i have students who sometimes think they're not going to do well on an exam so they don't study for the exam and then they don't do well on the exam. that's a self-fulfilling prophecy. americans should not fall victi...

Seemed like they agreed with you about what's at stake and where we are as a country in this moment? >> we made really the argument that the threats to democracy today are not military coups and attacks on congress as serious as they are but much more elected politicians in suits, men and women, changing the rules of the game. i think democratic senators understand that. the question is, is it worth changing the filibuster over this. we tried to make the case the risks facing our democracy are greater than altering the status quo of the filibuster. we should not lose sight of the fact in your ...

Very grateful for your level of transparency. dr. patel, as always, thank you. next, two crises. both, existential. saving democracy. and our planet. from plus one vote makes the case that we can and must do both. he joins me next. th he joins me next is the 21st century way to do all three. even touch free. preparation h. get comfortable with it. real cowboys get customized car insurance with liberty mutual, so we only pay for what we need. -hey tex, -wooo. can someone else get a turn? yeah, hang on, i'm about to break my own record. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty...