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The other side, matt, because biden is rejecting the most liberal of positions on health care but is embracing the existing one, leaving the door open for a public option. is that something that conservative voters might be able to get behind? >> i think it's going to be a risk, certainly in the general election and as adrian points out, he risks the wrath of elizabeth warren and bernie sanders in the primary. i think he might fall into two traps. he famously mocked rudy giuliani in 2008, saying everything was a noun, a verb. >> it's important to remember that barack obama endorsed medicare fo...

That it means getting rid of obamacare, and i'm not for that. >> this is notable because biden's embrace of obamacare strikes a contrast with his democratic opponentins, most of whom support medicare for all plans. joining me from iowa, garrett haake. tell me more about vice president biden's plan. what are the details. >> reporter: the vice president starts with the skeleton of aca and builds on top of it. you mentioned that public option here, the idea would be for folks that are unhappy with their current plan or who don't have coverage at all, they could buy into a plan that would be like ...

Texas, for example, that have not expanded medicaid to get into that medicare like public option, you would otherwise be eligible for medicaid. there's a lot to build on here, but of course it does not go as far as medicare for all, which a lot of the former vice president's other poenopponents pushing in the primary. there's some political cost there. >> this does draw a sharp line in the sand between biden and his opponents, especially bernie sanders. is the biden camp at all concerned that this fight is going to alienate that more progressive base? >> reporter: look, this is the major issue...

He is tweeting about this decision saying as i predicted all along, obamacare has been struck down as an unconstitutional disaster. now congress must pass a strong law that providers great healthcare and protects pre-existing conditions. mitch and nancy must get it done. is he putting the ball in the democrats' court. republicans have a responsibility to govern. is he president. what comes next? nancy pelosi is no now going to be in control of the house. pete: nancy wants to do what bernie wants to do what your favorite socialist in the bronx want to do which is medicare for all. government-ru...

In terms of their offices. here's something in terms of an impact i want to get into. an estimated 400,000 essential employees of the federal government would work without pay, basically furloughed and around 350,000 would be furloughed all tolled. so you have got some active duty military folks. they are still going to have to report to work. but their paychecks are going to be interrupted. they will get the money eventually that's a real impact on families. >> people think this saves us money having a shutdown it doesn't save us money. we wind up spending the same amount of money if not even...