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Workers, our members and are trying to simply kill our unions and keep our political voice out of the political arena. and this has brought all of you are members together. and our focus right now is on the recall effort. we'll be involved in all six of those recalls -- >> in wisconsin? >> senators and we are going to be heavily involved in the referendum recall on s.b. 5. >> well, i want to show some poll numbers here, michael. a gallup poll, who do you agree with in the battles? state labor unions or governors. 48% say they the end to side more with the labor unions, 39% with the governors h...

Was a poll that came out a couple of days ago that has his approval rating at 30% which is lower than george w. bush's approval rate ever got in eight years in office. he's got a real problem because he overstepped on this thing. he may recognize it but he's going to plow ahead and assume that in four years people will t in the next 90 days, which they can do -- >> this is labor. >> -- it's going to be something where independents are going to go with labor on collective bargaining because independents are like democrats in the way they view that. >> todd harris, watching john kasich handle th...

He may recognize it but he's going to plow ahead and assume that in four years people will forget. but you're right, chuck, if they can get this thing on the ballot in the next 90 days, which they can do -- >> this is labor. >> -- it's going to be something where independents are going to go with labor on collective bargaining because independents are like democrats in the way they view that. >> todd harris, watching john kasich handle this, it's been interesting. i felt like he did try to learn pr lessons from scott walker. he really toned it down, did not take a front and center role. but bo...

Committee, because they didn't have the votes. that's not going to work. we're going to see a referendum in ohio if kasich gets this bill and signs it, we're going to get a referendum and we're going to win on the referendum. and we're going to continue to point out this is oil company money. it's the koch brothers, it's money, foreign money coming in for karl rove and we're going to continue to point that out in very much a contrasting, comb combative way. the last thing people like me and others, i have a website sherrodbrown.com/ohio. go on and sign my petition in opposition to what they're...

What's the appropriate level of contributions for pensions. that should not be negotiable. it shouldn't be negotiable that people get step increases and c.o.l.a. increases. managers need to be able to manage their costs and that's exactly what we're proposing. >> i understand we're talking about sb-5 and i understand this thing went into effect. >> hold on. hold on. >> let me finish. >> this is my show. hang on a second. >> yeah, but you asked a question and i want to finish answering it. >> go ahead. >> what i want to say is i'm all in favor of people being able to talk, but there are some th...