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Somebody is going on that electronic wait list and where people are identified as being dead, somebody is changing that and saying no, they are not dead. >> correct. >> to hide the fact people died on that list. >> that's my belief. >> what would be -- any other purpose? >> there wouldn't be any other purpose. >> yet another whistle-blower coming out with shocking revelations from the phoenix v.a. hospital. that woman you just heard is a scheduling clerk and she says that vets records were altered to hide just how many of them died while waiting for care. >> you saw drew griffin there. he got ...

Head say how could they be more? >> i shake my head almost every day. the new allegation, kate, coming from the actual keeper of the secret list in phoenix, a scheduling clerk, who says right now at phoenix in the midst of all these investigations someone is trying to hide the exact number of veterans who died on the waiting list by changing them in the record from being dead to alive. pauline dewintenewenter, a sche clerk is coming forward because she knows something that's unthinkable. she says someone now is trying to hide the number of u.s. veterans who died here waiting for care. in seven...

Drew griffin tonight has the exclusive interview. >> pauline de winter, a scheduling clerk at the phoenix va, is coming forward because she believes she knows something that is frankly unthinkable. that is saying something considering the shameful facts of what we already know happened at this va. she says someone now is trying to hide is the number of u.s. veterans who died here waiting for care. in seven cases so far, where she has determined a veteran on a waiting list was in fact deceased, she says someone above her has changed the record back, the veteran suddenly by the listed as alive. ...

Without treatment. one of them was there for eight years after he was admitted before he got his first psychiatric evaluation. citing a troubling pattern, the letter from the office of special counsel to president obama says veterans' health and safety has been unnecessarily put at risk because the va refuses to admit that problems reported by whistle blowers could impact the health of patients. that is something cnn learned firsthand from whistleblowers across the country, like brian turner. as a scheduling clerk at the va hospital in san antonio, texas, he saw how appointment times were bein...