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Threatening to president trump speaks volumes. >> so you like the idea of somebody from the outside saying that the public school system is broken and that one person is going to make the difference here? >> it's not saying the public system is broken. it's trying to create another great option. i was very lucky going back 20 years ago to help start a private public school where they weren't great school options. that school 20 years later is one of the highest performing elementary schools in the nation. seeing lebron, other people step up and do similar things to what we did, we can't do eno...

Maybe the kids would do better getting a voucher and letting them go to a catholic school or a private school. what's wrong with giving parents a choice where their kids will get a good education? >> absolutely. we -- the naacp supports parents having a choice in terms of the arrange -- a range of school options. the issue is having a free choice. and what i mean is a public education that is robustly supported, where charter schools are held accountable. where traditional schools are held accountable. it's not a matter of playing lip -- paying lip service to a choice where we put choices befo...

Betsy devos. accused her today of saying that she is -- her choice -- she would single-handedly decimate public education. i have news for chuck schumer. you look at the school options for kids, already decimated. >> bret: winners and losers, leslie? >> winners, the religious leaders today and spoke out against the muslim band, and my loser would be steve bannon. i don't want any guy telling me or anybody else in the media to shut up. >> bret: okay, winner, loser? >> the polar opposite. the winner, the unborn child. abortion rates are way down. this new generation of young people are more pro-...

Accused her today of saying that she is -- her choice -- she would single-handedly decimate public education. i have news for chuck schumer. you look at the school options for kids, already decimated. >> bret: winners and losers, leslie? >> winners, the religious leaders today and spoke out against the muslim band, and my loser would be steve bannon. i don't want any guy telling me or anybody else in the media to shut up. >> bret: okay, winner, loser? >> the polar opposite. the winner, the unborn child. abortion rates are way down. this new generation of young people are more pro-life than the...

Talk to me about where you stood. this has been maybe not that tense but a tense part of the your kitchen table conversations in your own household. >> well, my wife was superintendent of cincinnati public schools and we have had many discussions on school choice. but she started out by not being afraid of competition. she thought competition was good. we agreed on this, that the most important organization is the school building. the most important relationship within that school building is the teacher/student relationship. and we both had a fifth grade teacher, ida may rhodes. i remember as...