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Like this. don't want to see this happen. agrees it makes us look foolish here. it costs ut billions of dollar to shut down the government and play with credit ratings. it's because of these 40 or 50 people who have jane boehner by the tail that we go through this. >> it's also -- yeah. it's that, but it's also the fact that everything here has turned into a game of political score keeping. and the white house is not unaware, for sure, and it's not displeased. as a matter of fact, is pleased about the fact that one of the things that's happened in this situation is that the republican party's ...

But i don't want anyone to get the misimpression that this does not cost money. >> okay. good to know, let's listen to republican senator ted cruz here now, too. because he says obama care is forcing small businesses overseas. >> the millions of small business owners who are forcing their employees, forcibly reducing their hours to 29 hours a week. the millions of small business owners who are considering moving operations overseas. >> right. >> have already because of obama care, why is the economy gasping for breath? why are people not able to get jobs? because obama care is killing jobs. >>...

Payroll tax. >> get rid of the taxes on all corporations that manufacture. why don't we get rid of the government that goes with it. >> that's a different argument. >> that's what you want to get rid of it. what government are you for getting rid of when you get rid of all this revenue? this is what always happens dynamic score keeping. this is what the republican party is doing. i'm afraid for the country's interest it's not working. this no go thing is working, what he's some way defending >> it's not -- maybe republicans think this is a good political strategy but that's not borne out by ...

Connecticut basically pleading, putting all the prestige of the presidency on the line. starting a chant. we want a vote. we want a vote. as though as he college protester, trying to get even a vote on anything in the congress. i think there will be a vote on something. i don't know what. but i think the politics of this are changing very rapidly. and for real. yes, the nra has a tremendous amount of residual clout in american politics. i think with michael bloomberg's money and more organization on the pro gun control side, you're going to see the same kind of score keeping and vendetta setti...

Score keeping. i went through each one of the topics that they discussed, these two guys. it was a great debate, first of all. martha raddatz was wonderful. a couple points, i think the way i'm scoring it, i hope this is clear, on benghazi, i give that to ryan. on economics, i give it a draw. on medicare, all biden. on taxes, fairness, all biden. on afghanistan, another draw. on syria, another draw. abortion, all biden. he wins three big ones through another one. on the closing i draw that even. they just both did closing. a clear victory for joed bi bid looking at key issues people care about...