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Practice of waterboarding would say that that is torture. that's not something we do. period. >> sean: won't acknowledge jihad, but quick to go after america. what's your reaction to that? >> yeah. first of all, i have a complex reaction to it. i think we need to look at it on several levels. first a political frame. that was all politics. he was looking to make score points against his predecessor and depict himself in the minds of left wingers in the democratic party as an ardent pentagon war candidate -- antiwar candidate. he had a moral obligation, if that was torture, to go after those wh...

Practice of waterboarding would say that that is torture. that's not something we do. period. >> sean: won't acknowledge jihad, but quick to go after america. what's your reaction to that? >> yeah. first of all, i have a complex reaction to it. i think we need to look at it on several levels. first a political frame. that was all politics. he was looking to make score points against his predecessor and depict himself in the minds of left wingers in the democratic party as an ardent pentagon war candidate -- antiwar candidate. he had a moral obligation, if that was torture, to go after those wh...

For themselves. >> and first responders are gone and the they're out of work. >> and i think it's a faux cliff, i don't think it's real and most people agree with that. this is a politically manufactured crisis, a politically fake crisis in order to score points. and the reality, they're king a term he elections believe it or not and we've just gone through a series and dennis, you're saying the president has to do this to succeed is a troubling statement and if it's true, i don't doubt your integrity on this, we've got a problem on that. >> time out, i walk that back saying i was describing s...

For themselves. >> and first responders are gone and the they're out of work. >> and i think it's a faux cliff, i don't think it's real and most people agree with that. this is a politically manufactured crisis, a politically fake crisis in order to score points. and the reality, they're already looking at the mid term he elections believe it or not and we've just gone through a series and dennis, you're saying the president has to do this to succeed is a troubling statement and if it's true, i don't doubt your integrity on this, we've got a problem on that. >> time out, i walk that back sayin...

And bake foreign policy that we're going to develop here. i think that both men were trying, obviously, to score points. but there has not been a sweeping middle east review since the arab spring. it was not about democracy. this was a populous movement, democracy's a new concept for them. it took us about 30 years after 1776 to get our democracy in place. it's still a tribal culture over there, still very dangerous. we're supporting monarchies in saudi arabia and jordan yet, but at the same time talking about democracies. if you spend any time in that region at all, first thing happens when y...