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You know, his day in court as they say, it clearly will be a failure. so what i think needs to happen is you got to kind of bridge the gap between what is taking place right now militarily, and what we anticipate the end state to be, libya free of gaddafi. gaddafi is either dead or gone. and we're hoping that that takes place certainly hope is not a methodology, but it appears now that we are relying on it to a certain degree. you could see that this could be a long engagement. i believe at some point there will be insertion of ground forces, not necessarily from the u.s., though i suggest the...

Gadhafi's mode us open raund di of being. it doesn't loo like there's d very good diplomatic solution so i find it a bit odd, but i'm pulling for it. i'd love that to happen. >> let's talk a little more about how this might play out. if rebel forces, the opposition, does make its way to tripoli, can they take gadhafi out, or will there need to be more military assistance to do that? >> randi, there's going to have to be an insertion of ground forces of some sort from some nations. i'm not saying the united states need to do that. however, i will say there a probably elementsof u.s. special ope...

Calls you a killer. here's the suggestion. think offensively. the mistake we make is to think defensively. how do we break the system to stop perps from getting guns and that is wrong. you need to think authentically, how do we tag the perps and keep them from getting guns. we want law-abiding folks to have access, not the bad eggs. do you see the difference? we need a database where a creep like this fits in perfectly based on testimony from cops, students, school officials who then get a judge to issue a civil court order. if you're in the space no gun and liberals no more whining about mass...

The mistake we make is to think defensively. how do we break the system to stop perps from getting guns and that is wrong. you need to think authentically, how do we tag the perps and keep them from getting guns. we want law-abiding folks to have access, not the bad eggs. do you see the difference? we need a database where a creep like this fits in perfectly based on testimony from cops, students, school officials who then get a judge to issue a civil court order. if you're in the space no gun and liberals no more whining about mass incarceration that you violate the database, you get a felony...

Conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws or aiding and abedding hacking, these are the legal crimes that i think mueller will be examining. and, clearly, bannon thinks there is, perhaps, financial crimes, to investigators, as well. >> and before we go there, i want to bring in david chalian to the conversation on just the face of it. the fact that bannon was part of the administration. now that he is out, he has said he wants to help the president from outside the white house. why would he throw the president's own family under the bus like this? >> as jeffrey was suggesting, there was clea...