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Your reaction? >> it was a stupid meeting to take and i'm sure in retrospect he wishes he wouldn't have taken it. it is time for him to make a strong statement that he understands and acknowledges there was russian medaling in the election and he agrees with the transparency pledges they said they would make. if he would take a couple of steps this week, that would be a strong statement that the white house is taking this seriously. >> are you happy with it or no? >> no. i'm not happy with it. i think republicans have got do do more. they've got to show leadership. but donald trump is playing ...

Investigate it, that's what bob mueller, who say great man and a terrific lawyer, honest as the day is long, is going to be doing. >> bob mueller, honest as the day is long. ron, we talked that one out. if i can i want to ask you about the president's core support, because that may be part of the bottom line right here. >> yes. >> a lot of what he's saying may be playing to them. lot of the policies may be playing to them. is there any sign that his core supporters might be getting a little bit shaky? >> sure. first of all, yes there is. the president got 46% of the vote. his approval rating i...

What do you think would happen if trump went that far? >> it depends on when it happens. if it happens very soon, i think he might very well get away with it. and here is why. out there in the country, particular in that part of the country that voted for donald trump, all of these conversations we're having, all of this television coverage, up to today, we'll what happens, really hasn't penetrated, made much difference. and i would say this. if donald trump's core support stays at, say, 38, 40%, then he might very well be able to fire special counsel, as your interviewee tonight, he has that ...

And here is why. out there in the country, particular in that part of the country that voted for donald trump, all of these conversations we're having, all of this television coverage, up to today, we'll what happens, really hasn't penetrated, made much difference. and i would say this. if donald trump's core support stays at, say, 38, 40%, then he might very well be able to fire special counsel, as your interviewee tonight, he has that power. but if trump's poll ratings -- and this is arbitrary on my part, if his poll ratings go to 30 or below, no. because the public reaction would be so stro...

Plan at 17% like a dog with a bone and won't give up. these folks are not idee logical. >> at the end of the day for the democrats who crossed over and voted for donald trump isn't it more likely that if they don't get what they want from trump they drop out of the voter pool and go back to being democrats? >> not necessarily, joy. what has happened so far and so quickly is extraordinary. trump has really lost everybody but that core support that he had between 35% and 40%. you see in those elections in georgia and in kansas that some of them are going in the democrats' direction. there is no ...