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Others. while he does have a desk, his desk sits opposite a metal detector, and he wears a gun on his hip. carl swinny works for julie burkhart at the trust women clinic in wichita, kansas. he's the facilities coordinator there which means he's in charge of keeping the staff at that clinic safe as well as the patients who go there for health care. carl worked for dr. tiller's clinic, too. he was the security guard at dr. tiller's clinic up until the day tiller was shot at his church. carl remembers seeing the man who killed his boss. he had come by the clinic when dr. tiller worked there. >> y...

With us, among others, after she was outed by the ap. her landlord sued her to stop her from adding abortion service to her primary care practice. he threatened to kick her out if she did any abortions at the practice. she was picketed at her home and at her office. even prospective locations she was rumored to be considering relocated to, those were targeted too. anti-abortion activists distributed a wanted-style flier with her photo and her exact address, calling her a murderer. she got a letter warning her that someday somebody was going to put a bomb under her car. so mila means and the ot...

Murderer and encouraging people to go to her house, that was distributed in her neighborhood. anti-abortion activists posted an audiotape online of the man who murdered dr. tiller. but this time he was threatening julie by name. >> it is a little bit death-defying, you know, for someone to walk back in there. you know, i think that woman's name is julie burkhart. it's almost like putting a target on your back, saying, well let's see if you can shoot me. >> eventually julie says she was getting death threats not just from behind bars but from her front lawn. >> when the protesters came into my ...

Desk job stops being a normal desk job because while he does sit at a desk, his desk sits opposite a metal detector, and he wears a gun on his hip. carl swinny works for julie burkhart at the trust women clinic in wichita, kansas. he's the facilities coordinator there which means he's in charge of keeping the staff at that clinic safe as well as the patients who go there for health care. carl worked for dr. tiller's clinic, too. he was the security guard at dr. tiller's clinic up until the day tiller was shot at his church. carl remembers seeing the man who killed his boss. he had come by the ...

Guard had a gun. i thought i wonder why. >> these days mr. swinny still has his gun. he mans the lobby at the clinic. he signs in the patients. he keeps an eye on the protesters making sure they don't get too close. there are fewer protesters than there were in the tiller days but they can still get aggressive sometimes. they standby the parking lot, drive by the entrance back and forth, back and forth. the threat they pose still feels like a very live one because it's hard to tell who's just a guy with a sign and who could be the next scott roader. carl says he keeps an eye out for what he ca...