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Xenophobia at the heart of these policies, more people will understand that is not the way to go. i hope that is what's going to happen. maybe we need someone like trump to say these crazy things so we realize that is not the direction to go. surveys show and polls show that the more people who know immigrants the more in favor they are for a pathway to citizenship. and i think that is true of most people. and as long as he keeps demonizing them and then again i'm a cockeyed optimist. i'm seeing the donald as half full and not half empty. >> michelle before we go, just case in point. scout wal...

Nationwide network of right-wing organizations to specifically avoid campaign finance laws. so it is playing all over the place. governor walker is in full-spin mode. >> obviously governor walker and the reason why this is such a big nationwide story is not just because of the drama around the recall elections there and his aggressive tactics against unions, among other things, but also because he's been talked about as a big 2016 contender, a sort of top-tier contender there. is he going to be able to even get re-elected in wisconsin given this news? the latest polls have him tied there with ...

>> now, you've pointed out that you are in chicago, you don't want us to disclose where you're located. what about the fact that state troopers actually went to some people's houses, i don't know if they went to your house, looking for people. is it true that some of the democrats are going home at night and then sneaking out in the morning? >> not that i'm aware of. the hard-working men and women of the wisconsin state patrol, they have a job, and their job is to patrol the highways and the interstates of wisconsin, make sure motorists are safe and staying, you know, kind of around the speed ...

Governor, going to run for president, put out a web video urging people to stand with scott. he's been the most vocal supporter of scout walker. again, i think it's smart on pawlenty's part. he's not well known as sarah palin and mitt romney but a good issue for a presidential candidate to take a stand on, cutting budgets, fighting unions. that's very good red meat for a republican presidential primary electorate. interesting gambit by pawlenty to be the leading 2012 candidate in support of scott walker out there in wisconsin. >> at the same time, you had mitch daniels saying he's not going to...

With it. he was at the press club in washington, he's got a new book out. his cell phone rang in the middle of his speech and answers the phone and says, well, that was david koch but i don't have time to talk to him, making fun, of course the prank pulled on governor walker by a liberal media prankster from buffalo calling him and pretending to be one of his biggest contributors, a leading conservative activist. >> that's what people like about mike huckabee, he's quick on his feet, funny, seems like an average person. i don't know if he's running for president. you just -- he has a lot of na...