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Also getting people to places that they can live outside of port-au-prince? >> yes, yes. both, because there's -- whatever it,1.8 million, there are camps that are on hillsides like this, that still have no lighting, have no drainage mitigations, their whole neighborhood is in rubble. >> people in the states say, look, i gave money six months ago, and look, it's all still the same, i shouldn't give any more money. >> well, i say no, that's not true. because if you gave money because you care, and you have it, anything to scrap up, if you don't trust an ngo, find a family to adopt. get in touch...

Grains of salt on the beach. >> penn's group has just begun using heavy equipment to clear a neighborhood so some of the people in this camp can return to their old homes. he'd also like to see other funding used for new communities to be built outside port-au-prince. removing the rubble here with heavy equipment, but also getting people places that they can live outside of port-au-prince? >> yes, yes. both, because there's -- whatever it,1.8 million, there are camps that are on hillsides like this, that still have no lighting, have no drainage mitigations, their whole neighborhood is in rubbl...

Same, and i shouldn't give any more money. >> well, i say no, that's not true. because if you gave money because you care, and you have it, anything to scrap up, if you don't trust in ngl, find a family to adopt. get in touch with our ngl, you don't have to give us the money, i'll find you a family to adopt, i'll give you their number. don't stop giving, we need it. >> sean penn joins me now for the big 360 interview. you've been here pretty much nonstop for the last six months. when people say they don't see progress on the ground, what do you say to them? >> well, first of all, you a disaste...