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Nuclear. even for natural gas. we had years, decades of investment and we've not seen the investment yaet for the coal technologies and it's much more cost effective to say the hell with the environment and let's turn on the lights and the what we have to do. >> now we're at a point and this is a political hot potato for a lot of democrats because the coal industry does employ a lot of people. but in the same sense, we have to be pretty smart about the environment. what's the solution here? do you agree that scrubber technology and sequestration is the way to go? that we can capture enough car...

Technologies. that's dealing with the reality. >> carbon sequestration with they're doing that in some portions of the country. the reclaimation projects being done have been successful. but number one, it's expensive. turning on the lights is cheap. the country has to pay. secondly, the scrubber technology. why haven't they done more, jon? scrubber technology, some coal companies have put millions into it but it's still expensive. it comes down to money, does it not? >> absolutely. that's one of the most important issues. here's what we look at. for decades here, we've had public support thro...