So she's said we are not there yet but believes we're heading there. whey is interesting, she did say that she does understand how in certain localities, the factors on the ground could be different. and she does understand how governors and other local leaders are moving to relax mask mandates even now given that their local conditions may be higher vaccination rates, hospitals that are less full, and more control disease. so i think she's understanding of that. if you recall, a year ago, she was first in taking down mask man dates only to come to dosh -- come to regress it later. >> this cau...