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We can regulated guns, we can have less guns. that's the only thing to solve the problem. the answer is obvious -- some people in this country should not have guns due to what we're seeing, through the violence that people portray with guns. just because of the second amendment doesn't mean there's no possibility of regulating that and preventing that. as far as the issue not being at the forefront, i think it's because of the fact that as campaigns get to a close, you consolidate among the issues that people are talking about the most. and people care about the most. health care is something ...

Control as well. i can tell you in texas gun control is not going to fly here. it's not going to -- >> but it seems like, matt, bullets are flying and karine, this is not a second amendment issue. >> it's not. >> the second amendment doesn't give you the right to have military style weapons and i note matt is right, they are so far not part of this latest shooting. but the killing of ten people, nine kids, one teacher, reminds us of the continued -- almost we're normalizing these kind of school shootings, many of which did involve weapons we can do something about, at least background checks a...

Was fighting for his life. >> he was fighting the police. >> if you don't understand that, i don't know what else -- >> he was absolutely fighting the police. >> you know what's unfortunate, you probably believe everything you've ever seen. i bet you believed everything you ever heard about laquan mcdonald -- >> i have no idea what you're talking about. i do know an individual with a gun his pocket, drugs in his system -- >> ben, do you have something against people carrying guns? >> i have a problem with anyone who fights police while being armed and doesn't -- >> he wasn't fighting. >> doesn...

The nra wants to protect some people when it comes to gun rights but doesn't do it for all. doesn't speak for all folks. >> yeah, i don't know what it has to do with this shooting in baton rouge. what i do know is the police officers try to use different commands with him, they tried to use a taser, not once but twice, they told him to quit resisting arrest, he had a gun in his pocket, they saw that gun when he was reaching for it, and after using nonlethal force, they used lethal force. drugs were found in his system which they say contributed probably to his noncompliance -- >> you are out o...

Talk over you then. your example took longer than the initial point in the call of the question. that's cool. let me say this. i don't have time for it today. let me tell you why, because today while y'all are talking about the second amendment and nra and all of this yet again, a black man's killers vis-a-vis the police are not going to be held accountable for taking his life. you know why? he had a gun on him, a gun he never brandished but somehow -- i'm just going to make a point about guns today because you did it about planned parenthood. the point is that the second amendment doesn't eve...