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When they got out, a number of people up in upstate new york are seeing one instance where a husband and wife, he was a very big second amendment person. she was totally against it. when those prisoners got out, it took them -- i think law enforcement did a great job in getting them, frankly, when they -- they were free for a while. all of a sudden she became the biggest advocate because they were sitting in their house in that same very close little area, they were sitting there and they had the protection of having the guns. >> of course the fear -- >> all of a sudden she became a big propon...

It will all be spent. it will all be given to a lot of people. and a lot of bad people. and that is so sad. and it's going to go very quickly. they're going to give it away very quickly. they can't give it away fast enough. horrible deal. in competent deal done by in competent people. and they should be ashamed of themselves. but we will make it good. >> the second amendment, why do you believe the founding fathers produced the second amendment. >> i believe strongly in the second amendment. and it is something we need. we need it for security, we need it for safety. unabated. we have to have ...

You committed to a mental institution. that's really all at the federal level. is that standard among the states? >> you two situations, a mental health situation, a crisis in america and a gun crisis in america. and there are lobbies who are preventing both of these from affecting change. we don't have standards for mental health, we don't have free access to mental health. >> and we're not going to. that's just the truth. they don't -- they haven't changed a thing about mental health, even in the wake of sandy hook. you tell me, dana, what could happen -- i mean, you're a very pro second ame...

Situation. with isis you kill them at the head. you take the oil. that's where they're getting their money. if you bomb the hell out of it you bomb the hell out of it. you've got to stop their wealth. >> what about civilians? >> i'm talking about oil. i'm talking about oil areas, i'm not talking about civilians. >> civilians are near oil areas. >> give me a break, katy next question. >> let's say domestically, a lot of people are killed by gun violence what would you do about that? >> i'm a big second amendment person. when the prisoners escaped up in, no people that were against guns said tha...

Frustrating and disturbing to watch. it's like why -- i get it. i get it. i get it rural -- i get the culture. you can't tell me there's not a middle ground. >> if we could go -- the people who are concerned about safety, chris, and the people are concerned about reasonable american life. is it a threat, a real threat, to the gun owner, not just the gun owner who believes in hunting. that's the easy part. hunters go don't with these kind of rifles. the second amendment person who believes they face a threat down the road from the government. how do you talk to that person and say, you know, th...