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So important, is to not just talk to him, but then to talk to leads. who else did he talk to about this incident? who else was there? there's talk about a former girlfriend. did he make statements to anyone else about this? in the past month has he talked to brett kavanaugh or others about what his story would be if questioned by the fbi. i would push there. but what's important is you don't just talk to him, you talk to those around him to find out if what he's telling you is truthful. >> all right. thank you so much, barbara. thank you, frank. we greatly appreciate you being with us. still...

And a lot of men, of course, are very sympathic to dr. ford watching her testimony and how compelling and convincing it was but at the same time there's this group of americans experiencing this story in the exact opposite way. >> there were people moved on both sides. i can tell you mika was watching it. i was too. mika teared up watching dr. ford's testimony and also teared up watching brett kavanaugh's testimony when the talk turned to his daughters, when it turned to his parents, when it turned to remembering his high school days. so i think elise both statements were very moving to a lot ...

Women. did you ever hear him say to a male office holder you're the best looking guy? >> we have mika. i wanted to set this up for you. >> exactly. >> sam doesn't really care. so you tell me. what do you think? >> i think both are right. i'm sure he meant to pay her a compliment. >> i'm glad i waited for that answer! >> i'm sure he meant to pay a compliment to her and meant to be nice but, quite frankly, it divides women and up and divides them up to separate them by looks and probably was a little hand-fisted. i think the whole dynamic about women and their looks puts women under a lot of str...

Background checks. i think we saw something important yesterday. i need to hear the president of the united states come out and go after his own base. right? i've gone after the nra. i've talked talked about background checks. joe manchin is going after the nra talking about the need for background checks. >> call chris dodd. >> a lot of people have done it. the president of the united states need to it and joe biden needs to do it and talk about the violent video game. i'm sorry to repeat it but somebody just seeing the show for the first time, the second mika and i heard the news there was a...

About violent american culture. >> we have only done two or three. the mental health component has been there. limited but it has been there. and i've been surprised at how little the culture component has been part of this debate. because traditionally that has been the counterpoint guns and culture. >> mika and i sat down and really powerful democratic leaders in america. and we talked about guns. said, if this is going to work, because they were saying how does it work? i said you have to talk about mental health and they said, great, we will do that. then you have to talk about this violen...