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Organized crime. in terms of his business interest, you know what? russia has a terrible economy. russia does not make that much stuff at all other than oil and gas. so it's totally dependent on oil and gas prices and its links with western oil companies for its economic future. but deripaska does have this big aluminum company and that's something. his big aluminum company is actually a substantial business interest for the whole country of russia. sanctioning that company would take a big bite out of the russian economy. sanctioning that company, i mean that might actually hit them where it ...

And so i think is sort of -- we're on thin ice here for a presidential candidate to say, if i'm elected, i am really encouraging the department of justice to prosecute the former president. i think we're on thin ice there. i think it's better to let a future department of justice evaluate this in an impartial way. >> berit berger, thank you. a.b. stoddard, always good to have you. thank you, as well. second thoughts. with holes still open in his cabinet, president trump appears to be wavering on his choice for defense secretary, even going so far as to solicit other names. new nbc news repor...

Distress? how do we identify people who might have some type of an emotional issue. how do we limit those people from getting access to weapons? how do we make this, not such a notoriety type issue. we've seen a lot of copy cats in school shootings. how do we take the allure away from that and try to mitigate it that way? there's a whole host of things that go into trying to insure we have a safer society. there's no easy answer. it's going to require both law e enforcement, the community to come together to try to find the right solution. >> appreciate your insight. the impact of the presid...

It's almost like that story of the king with no clothes. it's happening in front of you but you don't see it. >> do democrats on the committee want subpoena him now? do they think that this is important enough and would set a bad enough precedent for them as you take over the congress and you want to talk to whistle blowers, et cetera, is this subpoena in the offering right now? >> i think it's highly likely. and i personally do support issuing a subpoena to compel the testimony. we've got to remember mr. cohen was a voluntary witness. in fact, he chose our committee and that venue to testify....

The odds that senators switch, have second thoughts, virg a little closer after the firing of jim mattis, they are unnerved about the firing of jim mattis, the economy tanking. senators who might have been giving the president the benefit of the doubt while jim mattis was at the defense department and the economy was soaring, are having second thoughts about whether donald trump is the right person to be in the office. heather: are you saying this puts more fuel in the impeachment tank? >> the risks for the president go up. democrats don't need much more fuel in the impeachment tank. they will...