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Books that other countries do. that when the united states goes to war, there are rules and sometimes they're violated, sometimes, you know, we have consequences, they go wrong, but they are at least supposed to be rules about the kind of targets you can kind of lit that have precision weapons for a reason, and nuclear plant obviously would be under no, under the no hit list for any normal country. for russia, either by intent or by accident or incompetence, that wasn't the case. and it just shows how dangerous this war really is, how quickly it can get out of hand, how something unintended or...

His economy, which undermines his ability to make war, it undermines his ability to have a stable homefront, so sanctions do have a lot of impact, they just don't have the immediate impact that people wish they would have, and that they wish they could immediately see, in some kind of immediate cessation of hostilities. >> but there is immediate suffering, we're looking at it, we're looking at images on the left-hand side of the screen right now. because of that, peter, how much pressure is this white house under to do more? >> well, i think it's under enormous power, obviously, these pictures...

Nuclear facility, that's of civilian use, and so he's kind of crossed the rubicon, and really put us into a whole other zone of strategy. now, he's probably, yes, trying to terrorize clearly the ukrainian civilians, cut off their power, create civilian pain to lever some victory because he's failing in battlefield but this is a different level of fear. there are nuclear power plants all over the united states. they are also 47 in china. 38 in russia. once this pandora's box is opened, and it has been tonight, it's hard to put it back in. and that's a very deep danger to global security and som...

Blending to me so it is hard for me to worry about my security when those people are being brave, to try to bring information in their country, the least i can do is to participate in the discussions in ukraine, but especially in russia, because that's my -- my ukrainian friends, they say, please, please, please, help us get the message of what's happening on the ground here in ukraine into the people of russia. >> there has been certainly a message across here, peter, i see you nodding your head, you lived in moscow, you want to elaborate. >> i think that's exactly right, to see the cloud fal...

The information they receive, and therefore, the way they perceive this war. >> you've been all over u.s. tv, but to your point, you've been on russia tv over the last -- >> and ukrainian tv. >> are you worried about your own safety? >> well, i was also on ukrainian tv and i just want to say, i really appreciate by the way that you have ukrainians coming on your show tonight, and earlier tonight, some of these, these are people i know, i think the ukrainian voice in this debate needs to be louder in our country so people can understand and listen to what they're doing, i applaud that, i hope d...