CNN At This Hour With Kate Bolduan October 7, 2019 15:01:00
>> the whistle-blower never saw the conversation. he got his information i guess second or thirdhand. the whistle-blower said terrible things about the call, but he then -- i found out he was secondhand and thirdhand. in other words, he didn't know what was on the call. it was second or thirdhand. never heard the call. >> now you not only have the president openly and on camera asking ukraine and china to investigate a political rival of the president, you also have this new whistle-blower who may have been on that call and has direct knowledge. let's start there. cnn's boris sanchez is joinin...