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>> as he stated in his e-mail. >> let's not forget that paul manafort was at the meeting too, somebody who had extensive political experience, you know, worked on bob dole's '96 campaign, somebody who presumably should have known that this is outside the norm of what happens in political campaigns. so, if nothing else, it just sort of bespeaks, perhaps, that something deeper about this administration, which is that -- which is that people who work for the trump administration know that you cross the family at your peril. >> loyalty is the biggest thing. and family, we know, is so important. an...

You think jim comey who was then fbi director would have done? >> i think they would have considered, you know, certainly looking at the background of this russian emmissary, this woman who is representing herls as herself as a representative of the government. looking at that from a criminal perspective, a counter intelligence perspective, digging into her background very quickly, evaluating whether they should wire one of these folks or all of these folks or the room up for consensual monitoring to capture follow-on conversations, to see if she would perfect what she was proposing, that she ...

After lie. he won't say, well, i say this. we hear experts, this is what's happening with the russians. it's disgusting, so phony. >> so tonight, we know that several weeks before making that statement, he had the meeting with the russian offering dirt on the opposition. we also know this is the late nest a string of trump associates who have had contact with russians and lied about it, as did michael flynn. jared kushner has had to amend his security clearance forms. donald trump, jr., has no security clearance and no forms to amend. what he does have is the distinction of being the first mem...

Campaign is really hard to believe. >> betsy, you seem to agree with that, do you? >> i think -- yes, i think without a doubt. what's important to bear in mind with the jared kushner side of this is that any possibility that he could be prosecuted for omitting those meetings from his form system a bit of a stretch. as of where we're at right now. i spoke about this just a few minutes ago with a former federal prosecutor who explained that just the fact that he omitted those statements doesn't mean any prosecutor would bring charges. to bring charges in a case like this you would have to bring ...

Officials of a campaign would meet someone who they don't know about something that they're not aware of in the heat of a campaign is really hard to believe. >> betsy, you seem to agree with that, do you? >> i think -- yes, i think without a doubt. what's important to bear in mind with the jared kushner side of this is that any possibility that he could be prosecuted for omitting those meetings from his form system a bit of a stretch. as of where we're at right now. i spoke about this just a few minutes ago with a former pat l federal prosecutor who explained that just the fact that he omitted...