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Release six million names. what's the security issue? >> the obama administration has been -- >> it's not a national security meeting. there are a lot of people whose names can be released. >> you're going to say right now that every name that was redacted during the administration was purely for national security -- >> i did not say that. >> that's what i'm asking. >> you're going from -- >> let me get david in here as the person who's been there through, by the way, some pretty shady presidencies, we're talking about nixon, right? do you buy this national security at all? >> it's total b.s. ...

Relationship in the sense of you can game out a set of escalations and counterescalations that get you to some pretty scary places quickly. >> i think it's interesting that during this time in which we've been imposing pretty heavy sanctions on them for the ukraine, we have other counterterrorism programs around the world. it suggests that up till this point we've been able to compartmentalize some of the most important security conversations we have with them around nuclear proliferation. whether that can continue or not, i don't know. but this idea that donald trump has that there's a reconc...

Quickly. >> i think it's interesting that during this time in which we've been imposing pretty heavy sanctions on them for the ukraine, we have other counterterrorism programs around the world. it suggests that up till this point we've been able to compartmentalize some of the most important security conversations we have with them around nuclear proliferation. whether that can continue or not, i don't know. but this idea that donald trump has that there's a reconciliation to be made with russia just misunderstands russian politics. putin needs a strain of virulent anti-americanism in order to...