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Those forces loyal to putin are on the other. that, i think, is where we talk about the prospect of civil war. it gets to that point where you've got fighting in moscow. i think at that point we're at civilian war. >> it's a frightening prospect. you talked about support for prigozhin. i mean, what role do you think the oligarchs and elites may be playing behind the scenes? >> we're talking about the oligarch and the intelligence and security elite. they're watching what's happening with ukraine. they're clearly seeing the writing on the wall that essentially russia is not winning this war and...

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the strike, which hit close to an Iranian cultural centre, had killed 15 people including civilians.

Members. internal service. with some responsibility for outside of f russia too. individuals were responsible for ukraine. as the foundation of putin support is the security elite. the fact that some senior members were the intelligence community will be laser focussed on this. these are things that we're really looking for to see if really foundations of the power structure are cracking. >> once again, i'm finding myself in a situation where i want to talk to you for another ten minutes. i have run out of time. thank you so much for being with us. next time i'll send you a better shirt than t...

Doubt about that. it's to sow dissension within his security elite, the foundation of his regime, but number two, and, you know, i think we've talked on this show about off ramps and, you know, i think, joe, you know that's something i'm not in favor of because a lot of us think it has to do with appeasement, but what an off ramp this would be that we're serving putin on a silver platter, he could say to the russian people my military and intelligence services have deceived me. i think that is a goal of this information operation. i don't know if it's going to work, but it really is brilliant....

Obtain weapons of mass destruction prompting former u.s. president george bush to group it with iraq and iraq as the world's greatest threats to peace. >> states like these and terrorist allies constitute an acce axis of evil arming to threaten the peace of the world. >> it is widely believed north korea manufactured a dozen nuclear bombs under kim's tenure. they spent much of the country on defense making the army the 4th largest in the world. the forces faced off against the smaller south korean military and nearly 30,000 u.s. troops along the demilitarize zone. he was starving the people wh...