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Matters will go towards criminal prosecution. but there is a separate question that's different from the legal issues which is the political question. and that's with respect to what does congress do if the outcome of his report and if he does have a mechanism to communicate that to congress. if the investigation reveals there was some type of cooperation with the russian government and the trump campaign regarding the election. and that's a political question that at some point and we don't know exactly when that point is that congress will have to take up. >> brian let's say you've had it wi...

A healthcare bill out, and we are probably going to get something that looks like a cbo score, although we'll discuss it on municipal. there are going to be issues with that score as well. when we're talking about this russia stuff, it's helpful to get perspective from people who devote their least into looking into things like this. joining me now is kathleen clark. she's a legal ethics expert. she's a professor of law at washington university. kathy leap, goot to see you. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> i want to go over -- we just heard garrett talking about security clearance an...

In one he said there was no phone call and then he said to his knowledge there was no phone call. but the meeting with trump junior apartment russian -- jared kushner only recently updated his security form to reflect was there. is that the second time he's had to update his security clearance? >> right, he has now filed a second amendment to the form that he submitted to the fbi in order to get his security clearance which he is still working to get. he's got a temporary one at this point. so we know that jared kushner's lawyers filed this amended sf86 form in the last few weeks. and paul man...

Political capital is outrageous and he should be ashamed of himself. >> that man who was quite evidently passionate and exorcised. he has now admitted he tried to get damaging information from the russian government. kushner would later attempt to set all that back channel with the russian government, possibly in their facilities to evade detection, he did not disclose the meeting with the russian lawyer on his security form. and that was at least one three meetings that jared kushner did not disclose. we don't know if president trump himself was aware of the meeting. the white house says he w...

>>. . candidates are always trying to figure out what they can use against another candidate. this information that you go to a foreign agent to try to get information about your opponent. . he had it with a russian agent that he did not disclose on his security form. what are these guys hiding if? if you're having these meetings. on. mr. warner was seeing things and warner was saying, i think this is a very important time for the public to realize this is not speculation, this is not hearsay. we actually have clearcut evidence and donna trump bay