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Retail stores for protective assignments in the mall. anybody premeditating or could be deterred by reasonable force that could be used against -- if they were shared of getting shot themselves, this might not be the place because, as rod pointed out, they are highly trained. i know for a fact they are. police are highly trained. it's a great department. that is a place we can go and the shooter can stop breathing real easy. long answer to the short question is it's very difficult to get into the mind of a madman with pragmatic and reason and rationale which we are operating from. >> how many ...

Denied. here's the other thing that came out of this. i thought we need to get to the bottom of this. there was a posting of a threat in the area, nonspecific, that the agency personnel received. leading up to the event. so think about the this. the agency personnel were on high alert. they understood that with 9/11 they had a generalized threat. why didn't they react to the higher threat environment and why didn't they honor the requests by security guys on the ground at the temporary mission facility supposed to guard the ambassador. they ignored all of that. we'll spend time looking at what...

Denied. here's the other thing that came out of this. i thought we need to get to the bottom of this. there was a posting of a threat in the area, nonspecific, that the agency personnel received. leading up to the event. so think about the this. the agency personnel were on high alert. they understood that with 9/11 they had a generalized threat. why didn't they react to the higher threat environment and why didn't they honor the requests by security guys on the ground at the temporary mission facility supposed to guard the ambassador. they ignored all of that. we'll spend time looking at what...

Bill: you say the real question to all this is what were we doing there? >> we already know this is a massive screwup. we didn't have enough security, we didn't rescue them, we haven't gone afte at the terrace after the fact. the one unanswered question throughout, what were they doing in the first place? you know what happens normally? they talk about lost luggage. these guys were security guys, former special ops guys. they weren't doing security checks for people getting their visas to come to america. what were they doing? in the shadows the rumors have been circulating what they were real...

But he did give me a creepy feeling. >> if i had somebody i wasn't comfortable with, i would follow them over to security and sometimes give a high sign to one of the security guys. >> did you consider doing it? >> i did. as they left the ticket counter, i stepped off the ticket counter and followed them for about three steps, caught myself. i said why am i doing this? am i really sure that there might be something wrong, or am i doing this for other reasons that, you know, because of their, you know, foreign or they're non-english speaking. >> you caught yourself thinking am i racial profilin...