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Roll back the calendar about 30 years, and revert to the way things were around 1991, before the fall of the -- the collapse of the soviet union. he's stated that. well, that potentially is very dangerous for -- because what he means is changing the fundamental security infrastructure of europe that has existed for 30 years. whether he actually goes after the former soviet republics, the baltics, as steve hall described, remains to be seen. but it may not necessarily have to do it just by military force. one other sore spot for him is the region in poland, which we haven't talked about, which ...

Intelligence, good to have you on. you're aware of something of a public debate now as to whether to define this as an invasion. the white house says it is an invasion, as you know better than me, putin is very good at trying to operate just below the threshold of war here. i wonder, do you see this move in the donbas by putin as his final step here or just the first of many steps to slice away territory from ukraine? >> well, jim, i think it's the latter case. i think this is just the first in a sequence of events that at least he has in mind which ultimately is to restructure the security in...

So—called neutral country. he also said he wants to see crimea, which russia annexed in 2014 recognised as russian and then we come back to these remarks by sergey lavrov, which clearly remind us of the broader ambition here, which most analysts assume is that vladimir putin is seeking notjust to return ukraine, orsorry putin is seeking notjust to return ukraine, or sorry not to make sure ukraine, or sorry not to make sure ukraine is in control, is controlled by russia, but it has wider ambitions too, to try and change the security infrastructure of the west. thank you very much. the un says...

Nato need to rethink security. >> i welcome american troops in poland, in baltics, and the permanent presence of american troops in this area. i think it is a response to the russian ideas on aggression beyond ukraine. >> if you take that into context, i want to go through the map, from estonia, latvia, poland, hungary, romania, come down that loop, do you assume that vladimir putin has so startled the west, awakened the west, if you will, that the security infrastructure, the -- never mind the peace dividend or what was talked about after the wall came down -- that nato troops, including u.s....

Concessions which it knows ukraine finds unacceptable, specifically the handing over of territories to russian control. then you have to look at the broader context, too. we know that vladimir putin is deeply, profoundly disturbed by nato and its eastward expansion. he wants the world to look like a very different place. you want that security infrastructure in the west to change. we know that the kremlin�*s demands are very difficult for anybody in the west to concede too. jenny hill with a perspective from moscow. let's turn to china and an interesting development because china has publicl...