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Things in. but if you have got thousands of miles of wall and you don't have people stations every couple feet to monitor it, it won't work. we need technology, not a wall. walls are old technology. >> the inqulien plane is old technology -- the inqulien pla e plane is old technology. fire is old technology. electricity wasn't invented yesterday. it's a passive security measure. i get it, you don't understand this stuffed but you talk about it anyway. when you are involved in access control. we are not look for a perfect solution. a wall is not going to stop every single person. what it does i...

Is a perfect obstacle to block things in. but if you have got thousands of miles of wall and you don't have people stations every couple feet to monitor it, it won't work. we need technology, not a wall. walls are old technology. >> the inqulien plane is old technology -- the inqulien pla e plane is old technology. fire is old technology. electricity wasn't invented yesterday. it's a passive security measure. i get it, you don't understand this stuffed but you talk about it anyway. when you are involved in access control. we are not look for a perfect solution. a wall is not going to stop ever...

Things like drug smuggling or human smuggling, perhaps there is a task force they are, but if this is not resolved by the time that democrats come in, the new congress will start off requiring some compromise. >> julie: compromise, that is the million-dollar question, i mean, is there going to be compromised, because i just mentioned that the president had said whether it is a wall or if they want to call it a fence, well, there is a difference between a wall and offense, number one, there is already fencing up in many places, that is not curbing the uptick in illegal immigration at the border...

The republican senators, and while that is happening here, you have the white house staff doing a series of interviews with the local affiliates and in that time, our kristen welker caught up with hogan gid lley t find out how the president can blame the impending shutdown on the democrats when he has already claimed responsibility for it. here is the response. >> the house literally passed a bill with the security measure that he wanted in it, and the democrats wanted as well. it is going to go to the senate, but the question is nine democrats will withing to hold up the entire process and cl...

Blanket. also think about this, at the time the plea was entered, the stakes were high for mike flynn. he is charged with giving false statements. he's talking to a russian operative about various matters going on during the transition time. so my belief is that they probably needed to get a plea deal in place for flynn, comboo he had told untruths and lied to the investigators at the time. they were happy to get the plea deal worked out to get to the place they are, a recommendation for probated sentence. they are bringing it up as security measure, i don't think it has much merit. >> dana: h...