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Historical moment. if there are no police forces out there on the street, that is solely the responsibility of the mubarak regime. if anybody's hurt, egyptian or foreign, that is the responsibility of the mubarak regime. these are peaceful -- this is a peaceful uprising that wants freedom and dignity for egyptians and it does not target any country. wants freedom for egyptian. this is an internal egyptian issue. >> who are these thugs ransacking shopping centers and going through the cairo museum, looting homes. who are these people? >> i know from egyptians that i'm in touch with in egypt tha...

Counter productive? >> no, that's a mysterycal warfare. you now tie-downs massive amounts of police and security operators. you spend billions of dollars and inject fear into every person who takes a flight or sees an empty car so it's successful to do bad things because you have no idea what they'll do next. >> shepard: that was one of the things i was thinking about. now there's another on tenth avenue on the west side and -- you have to be careful but to play into it by ratcheting it up on the radio and television, it lets them win almost. >> we live in one of the safest countries on the pl...

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