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Frankly, you know, awe lot of the people, they don't care. they'll go to another country as long as they can get out of afghanistan. we'll be leaving americans behind. just the example i gave you before about americans whose children don't have their paperwork. no mother and father are going to leave their children behind in afghanistan. that means those american citizens will by definition be needlessly left behind. as i said, it is expand the security perimeter. get more security to collect people from at least kabul if not beyond kabul. i know reporters are asking about beyond kabul. we nee...

Out. he extended the security perimeter around the kabul airport but admitted this operation is messy. there's a long way to go and a lot can still go wrong. i'm joined by the former ambassador under president obama, ryan crocker. ambassador, you've been very critical of this withdrawal process. what was your take of -- on what the president had to say just a few minutes ago? does it sound like they are trying to or starting to get on top of the situation there, do you think? >> in terms of the specific challenge at hand, jim, the evacuation of our citizens and others for whom we have responsi...

Runway inhibiting the take off most of that desperation is inside the innermost circle at the kabul airport has been quieted. we established a security perimeter but i think the focus right now is what we have and hand which is at kubul international. jon: retired general lute i wish we had more time to talk to have a lot more questions i appreciate you speaking with us. thank you. vital aid offered to help the evacuation on afghanistan the nation's minister of foreign affairs joins us next to explain those efforts. nary, rollerball design. because with the right pain reliever...

For lawmakers in congress, especially veterans who say you need to extend the security perimeter beyond the airport, and he basically said, if we do that, that could have unintended consequences. he talked of the threat of militant attacks from islamic state groups there and later on we understood from the pentagon that there had been an excursion beyond caliban lines, military helicopters going to a nearby hotel to bring nearly 170 americans into the airport. they were brought in by helicopter but it seems the threat was mostly and has been all along for massive crowds around the gates, the c...

The decision at hand and not revisiting the past. you give your advice. a decision is made, and you follow that decision. an order is given, you follow the order. that's what we're doing. as you heard the secretary say just after the president announced his decision in mid-april, that he fully supports that decision. he's been very clear about that. >> has the secretary thought about resigning? >> no. >> one factual question. how many of those 17,000 are american citizens? and have there been any further outside the wire operations by u.s. military? >> i do not have a breakdown of how many of ...