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From the security perspective. we will enter a new era of insecurity, with our world splintering into two spheres of competing influence — russia, china versus the west. so putin must fail, and the only way we can actually make sure he fails is not through diplomacy, but by standing up to him in ukraine and having the confidence to do so. tobias ellwood, thank you very much indeed for coming on hardtalk. thank you. hello. there could be the odd interesting sunrise for some of you across the south as we start wednesday,

Of putin being indicted. would he actually end up there? well, we'll have to see what happens there. what i do believe is correct is that what the sanctions have done to alienate putin himself from his own people, they realise there's no return to the international stage for russia from a trade perspective, security perspective and so forth, unless they ditch putin. now, the security mechanics that he has around him, the apparatus around him means it's going to be very difficult to get rid of him. but we've seen it in the past. the kremlin, the elite, the generals themselves will recognise the...

For him to run if he wins. now, what he's done, or thanks to the sanctions that the world has imposed, putin now, i think, will be in the dock in the hague in a matter of months, maybe longer. but until then, he's going to cause so much harm in ukraine. and the question is, will we allow him to get away with it? do you really think he's going to end up at the international criminal court in the hague? we know the justice secretary, dominic raab, the deputy prime minister, is talking to the prosecutor there, karim khan, about the possibility of putin being indicted. would he actually end up the...

These are people coming to hungary from all across ukraine. we have been interviewing people on this train coming in all week. they're coming from mariupol, donbas, lviv, kyiv. they have to stop from the other side, wait, go through border formalities. this train looks quite full. you will be watching these people get off the train now. you are i seeing the hungarian police there. we've not seen any incidents or anything they had to be involved in from a security perspective. in many cases police are helping people get off the trains, helping them with bags. these are people coming in carrying...

Almost everything in terms it of security that putin said he was concerned about he's actually exacerbated, you pointed out. you have a ukraine much more oriented to the west now economically and politically. you have a ukraine that's going to receive unprecedented amounts of military supplies into the resistance against russia. you have a unity at, entire nato, which would only have been achieved under the kind of pressure that putin has put on nato and you now have, as you said, the determination to forward base additional troops and infrastructure and weaponry on the frontline states. almos...