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Turns into stalking or can lead up to stalking. >> larry: shawn's case was bad how, since she didn't even know about it? what did the guy do? >> shawn's case was severe. the defendant drove across the country from florida, moved all of his belongings here, drove with two loaded weapons, duct tape, a wooden club, zip ties, numerous items, love letters to shawn. and then he -- after being turned away from cbs studios on three occasions, jumped over the fence and got into the studio shawn was performing in within ten feet of her. >> larry: do stalkers ever kill? >> yes, they do. we've seen it hap...

Ties, numerous items, love letters to shawn. and then he -- after being turned away from cbs studios on three occasions, jumped over the fence and got into the studio shawn was performing in within ten feet of her. >> larry: do stalkers ever kill? >> yes, they do. we've seen it happen before. if you don't have the proper security plans in place, you might be in a situation that involves the use of lethal force, which is why you really have to keep a close eye on a stalker the moment it starts to permeate and make sure everything is being done so that you can reduce the possibilities of that st...

Fence and got into the studio shawn was performing in within ten feet of her. >> larry: do stalkers ever kill? >> yes, they do. if you don't have the proper security plans in place, you might have use of lethal force, which is why you really have to keep a close eye on a stalker. the moment it starts to permeate and make sure that everything is being done so that you can reduce the possibilities of that stalker coming with a gun, driving on a freeway and getting pulled over. then, hey, we've got a shotgun, duct tape and -- >> larry: could we make the case that every stalker has mental issues? ...

With two loaded weapons, duct tape, a wooden club, zip ties, numerous items, love letters to shawn. and then he -- after being turned away from cbs studios on three occasions, jumped over the fence and got into the studio shawn was performing in within ten feet of her. >> larry: do stalkers ever kill? >> yes, they do. if you don't have the proper security plans in place, you might have use of lethal force, which is why you really have to keep a close eye on a stalker. the moment it starts to permeate and make sure that everything is being done so that you can reduce the possibilities of that s...

[ inaudible question ] >> we can't hear you. you will have to speak up. sorry. [ inaudible question ] >> that's correct. there is no vin number, nothing. been removed. miss? [ inaudible question ] >> we have no idea who did this or why. until we find out, we can't say anymore than that. yes, sir. say it again. [ inaudible question ] >> there were three propane tanks and two containers of gasoline. it certainly could have exploded and had a pretty big fire and a decent amount of explosive impact. depends on how close you were to it at the time. anything else? say again. [ inaudible question ] >...