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Can be cut. >> it's interesting because well, that 3.8 trillion is the budget for congress for the upcoming year and he's proposing those spending cuts which would add up to about 20 billion over the course of the year. but interestingly, we're all about caveats this morning because the spending will increase in certain areas, it's going to decrease in others and it seems that some of the key areas it needs to decrease, it's not going to, medicaid, medicare, veterans affairs, security programs, national security. >> those are the ones that politicians have-- >> that's what i say, social securi...

Senators are on board. harris? >> well we senator rand paul 10 1/2 hours on the floor last week he's been fighting the tide and the argument the flip side is some of the lawmakers say it would be left unpro equitytected if certain parts of the patriot act is set to expire at midnight. now i understand that the ball will be in his court, giving him maybe another 30 hours of debate. will he take it? >> reporter: well that's the question of the hour essentially. bottom line if all 100 senators consent they can quickly pass this house-passed bill to stop any lapse in the security programs but if r...

A number of significant and important government services from national parks to national health care pramtz to some even security programs could be cut off. we'll go straight to the white house first as we continue our coverage. again, negotiators meeting on capitol hill being closely watched by the president, and the president does not want this to happen, but at this moment in time he is essential loy the sidelines. sdoo that's right, john. this may be the only way out at least to get some breathing room right now. i just spoke to a senior democratic source close to these talks who basicall...