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Little tet-a-tet. i don't think the a.p. story is going to involve any kind of scandal. i don't. i think they probably abused their power and holder doesn't know anything and all of that. >> i don't trust eric holder i must say. >> bill: mark rich the biggest tax sheet in american history. eric holder has got some problems. is he smart enough to say i'm not going to get involved in this. >> i'm recused. we are recused from a lot of things over at the justice department. >> bill: security question. that's why i don't think this is as cut and dried as the irs stuff and benghazi stuff. >> that's ...

We are recused from a lot of things over at the justice department. >> bill: security question. that's why i don't think this is as cut and dried as the irs stuff and benghazi stuff. >> that's what they are saying, right? the problem is when the president goes before that latino organization as he did last year and says punish your enemies, reward your friends or you are not going to get the result you want, that sets the tone. and i think the tone is set right from the top and who knows? who knows who ran with that? who knows -- well, maybe we can actually do something with that. the presiden...

We are recused from a lot of things over at the justice department. >> bill: security question. that's why i don't think this is as cut and dried as the irs stuff and benghazi stuff. >> that's what they are saying, right? the problem is when the president goes before that latino organization as he did last year and says punish your enemies, reward your friends or you are not going to get the result you want, that sets the tone. and i think the tone is set right from the top and who knows? who knows who ran with that? who knows -- well, maybe we can actually do something with that. the presiden...

Now, we still refuse to come to grips with how serious and how long term this problem is going to be. i think it could be a 50 to 70 year problem. >> joy, it's a political question. it's a security question. two years after osama bin laden has been killed, are we safer as a country or not? >> i think that this country obviously has a lot of basic freedoms that make it impossible to police every potential threat. we still have red blooded americans going into schools and maskering 26 people including children. we still have situations where domestic terrorist operatives that have nothing to do ...

That certainly doesn't seem to be working. why are we saying not military action at least not right away? because the u.s. policy is that it would not go it alone in syria with u.s. military troops. they will have to get allies in the middle east in the gulf states to engage in this with them. and right now the persian gulf, the middle east very nervous about any additional instability. fo the countries there, the military question, the security question is how do they keep syria from imploding becoming a total insecured area and having either terrorism or chemical weapons cross borders into t...