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bachmann's top staffers. ed rollins, a familiar presence on the show, stepping back to what is called an advisory role citing health concerns and david pulenski is leaving the campaign entirely. the two had, quote, strategic differences on the path forward. politico saying it is unclear who will take either man's place. joining us are james carville and ari fleischer who can be reached on twitte twitter @arifleischer. james, what do you make of the shakeup? >> it's possible ed rollins could have health issues here. that's not outside the realm of possibility. he had some health issue...

That's why they're used in barbecues around the country. so there is a lack of thought in terms of how to implement and execute this explosive device that we all are benefits from. but i also think we can say, yeah, this guy did not do it right. that doesn't mean the next one is going to make the same mistake. they learn from what they do wrong and they do adapt to our security steps and they do find additional ways to find the seems, the vulnerability seems in what we're doing. that's why the attorney general was right today. the threat is still real. it's present. as we discussed at this nyu...

Square an act of terrorism and in this case he means capital t terrorism and al qaeda and that means an act of violence to promote political ends and separately, a source tells me that there is a real debate amongst counterterrorism officials now as to whether the device, being so crude, really could be linked to an overseas terrorism group or whether more likely to be linked to a domestic extremist in this country, uma. uma: i know security is beefed up in the area. what extra security steps have been taken? >> we've confirmed through the homeland security contacts, two security steps have be...

Is not reliable. but when you have an attorney for jared kushner saying he doesn't really these conversations, he's had so many of them, it calls into question what kind of preparedness or what kind of security steps did he take dushg did xien and afterwards to protect those communications that he was having with so many peel. he has no government experience. he had very little, you know, campaign experience, if anything at all, before working with the trump campaign. so it is, you know, as the other guest said, it is very hard to accept the idea that this was an accidental or amateur iftd mis...