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Of the wind. are we good? the tent blows over, we will have to go to a commercial. >> here in las vegas, it's sunny. the wind is picking up. how easy was it for the hackers. >> it's quite easy because i do security testing all the time. social engineering is when we can use exception to break into the client's network. we will send a booby trap file or worry dock and if the victim opens up that file, we take full control of their computer. it's not hard to find victims. you find them on linked in and you can search for a company and title and get a target list. these types of attacks are easy ...

At the research i've done and came to the exact same conclusion. these are folks that work really well in the industry, they are highly respected and have an extensive experience of working for the government. if you rid the testimony and read what she actually said, she said it's done end-to-end security testing what type of testing, it could have been an audit to look at paperwork, it could have just looked for basic things, but the site itself is not secure. it is much worse off. >> all right. well, let me talk about another complaint, because another government official from hhs says that ...

At the research i've done and came to the exact same conclusion. these are folks that work really well in the industry, they are highly respected and have an extensive experience of working for the government. if you rid the testimony and read what she actually said, she said it's done end-to-end security testing. she doesn't say what type of testing, it could have been an audit to look at paperwork, it could have just looked for basic things, but the site itself is not secure. it is much worse off. >> all right. well, let me talk about another complaint, because another government official fr...

At the research i've done and came to the exact same conclusion. these are folks that work really well in the industry, they are highly respected and have an extensive experience of working for the government. if you read the testimony and read what she actually said, she said it's done end-to-end security testing. she doesn't say what type of testing, it could have been an audit to look at paperwork, it could have just looked for basic things, but the site itself is not secure. it is much worse off. >> all right. well, let me talk about another complaint, because another government official f...

Website, but the truth is, according to one security expert, he said the government doesn't really know. >> the security operation center as of november 17th was not built or implemented and if they didn't have it built to detect the attacks that are mentioned here today. to reempsideways they don't know. >> they don't know and that's why they say they don't know. and they are not in the position to know. >> reporter: that expert said he and others are convinced healthcare.gov is a massive concern for security. they tried to reassure law makers that the system has a clean bill of health after ...