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We ought to have an advocate in the courtroom when the secret court says okay this surveillance is okay. and maybe we ought to do this or that. but you're not hearing is maybe we ought to change this program. and i think that's the victory that the administration sees. there are those who think that this particularly, the e-mail, and u.s. phone calls, that data collection is way too broad. those folks on capitol hill are still in the minority. so time has kind of run against the president. but the theory of security versus privacy weights in his favor. >> sure. and democrats and republicans sa...

Officials from the president on down are saying of course we should have a national debate about security versus privacy and all this stuff. well, we couldn't have that debate unless he had leaked the stuff. they weren't ever going to tell us. >> so the ends justifies the means? that's a hard one. >> look. the fact that we now know that there are secret courts developing a secret body of law interpreting the 4th amendment and we can't even know about it, what opinions say? >> simon, you get this? i think this is the american debate. jump in here. it's probably true of every country. there is t...

Edward snowden. >> and you don't like it? >> no, i don't like it. and it's ironic, of course, that officials from the president on down are saying of course we should have a national debate about security versus privacy and all this stuff. well, we couldn't have that debate unless he had leaked the stuff. they weren't ever going to tell us. >> so the ends justifies the means? >> look. the fact that we now know that there are secret courts developing a secret body of law interpreting the fourth amendment and we can't even know about it, we can't know what the opinions say? >> simon, you get thi...

What we think about him and, you know, is he a good guy, is he a bad guy, you know, i don't care about that. i do have strong opinions about what we've learned courtesy of edward snowden. >> and you don't like it? >> no, i don't like it. and it's ironic, of course, that officials from the president on down are saying of course we should have a national debate about security versus privacy and all this stuff. well, we couldn't have that debate unless he had leaked the stuff. they weren't ever going to tell us. >> so the ends justifies the means? that's a hard one. >> look. the fact that we now ...

Mark udall said checks and balances don't work if americans and lawmakers are kept in the dark. >> it's very, very difficult i think to have a transparent debate about secret programs approved by a secret court issuing secret court orders based on secret interpretations of the law. >> the heated debate comes as the aclu files suit challenging the constitutionality of the nsa's secret dragnet calling it one of the largest surveillance efforts ever launched by a democratic government. joining us now from capitol hill is congressman james clyburn, democrat from the south carolina. good afternoon,...